Hmmm.... I wonder what these are? :devil:

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:cheers:

Nice! Can't wait to see the first one on the road!

COOL! I think I know what Im getting myself for graduation..

A little competition never hurts ;)

ya think sombody is gonna get fired over those photos lol

COOL! I think I know what Im getting myself for graduation..


my thoughts exactly :)

moving faster than I thought

I can't wait to see the options list for this car. When my lease is up on the 300C SRT8 I'll probably look at one of those as a replacement. They will be bigger than the Camaro which is better suited to me with the dogs/kids :)

I wonder if the new 500hp motor will make it in this car?

Cheers,
Chris

uh oh....spaghettio's

uh oh is completely right! dead sexy man!

That is going to be a gorgeous(sp) car :drool: I cain't wait to see one on the streets and see how they really preform :devil:

It would be great on dates if there would be rear bench style seating :D

It would be great on dates if there would be rear bench style seating :D
Dodge is cool, but not cool (or bold) enough to put the bench seat in the back.

I'd love the rear bench so I could strap in three car seats LOL! :)

Very cool!

It would be nice to see some more retro cars coming out instead of the same deadbeat lines that are shoved down our throats every year.

Sweet.

ya think sombody is gonna get fired over those photos lol
:werd:

It would be nice to see some more retro cars coming out instead of the same deadbeat lines that are shoved down our throats every year.

:stupid:

Damn, she's fine.
I can't wait till someone tastefully mods one... all black, serious tint, some ginormo wide rear meats. Mmmm.... :drool:

Let's see Honda or Toyota build something as cool as that ! They keep trying to convince us of how much better their crappy little econoboxes are.....

Here's a link to more pics. Looks like it will have a 6.1 engine. Wonder what hp/torque figures it will have.

http://www.dodge.com/en/challenger/gallery/index.html

That's going to be one sick looking car. I can't wait to see one in person!

Thats aweosme, i am not one to buy new cars, but i might have to make an exception.

Damn, she's fine.
I can't wait till someone tastefully mods one... all black, serious tint, some ginormo wide rear meats. Mmmm.... :drool:
Plus a nasty cam thru duels.

:drool: I like! Wondering what these will put down for numbers?

RT

Any idea of the release dates for these to hit the streets?

Sweet! Should make for some great competition :drive:

i think this is going to be great. It is going to be the second coming of the musclecar wars!!!! It is already starting of pretty heated.

If they do all the terrible programming that they did on the current SRT-8 line up they will kill the car and its following much like what is starting to develop with the SRT-8 crowd at present.

Problems will be:
No way to tune the computer
Drive by wire with terrible lag and disconnect feeling
Way to intrusive ESP with no way to disable completely
Terribly slow shifting transmission
No manual Option
ADAPTIVE LEARNING

Just to name a few.

And yes I have a SRT-8 and the title transfers next week to the new owner. After 6000 miles I can't take it anymore. The platform has such potential but with DCX's abortion can-bus system and no way to fix it, the car is a dissapointment.

wrong. There is no "cheap" way to get around the DCX factory tuning. You can always install a stand-alone engine management system if you want to get wild, but figure that is $2000-2500 to do so. ;)

95ttoplt1,

You can totally disable ESP on SRT8 only. Press the ESP button to turn off ESP then press and hold button until ESP disabled displays on odometer. Then shift trans to 1 and there is no torque management. Now you can boil the tires off the rims. Have fun. :drive:

wrong. There is no "cheap" way to get around the DCX factory tuning. You can always install a stand-alone engine management system if you want to get wild, but figure that is $2000-2500 to do so. ;)


Right and how does all that interface with the can-bus system. Thats right it doesn't. And then what do you us to control the tranny? I haven't seen any programmable TCM or a stand alone TCM for the tranny yet. And then what if you want to change gears in the rear?? That right there is no way(electronically) to get around this either.

Sorry the electrical hang-ups with the platform are huge and well documented. Look at a dyno sheet for any SRT-8 and check out the AFR reading. Looks like Michael J Fox was trying to draw a straight line.

No thanks.

AND BTW the ESP can never be fully diabled, as well as the torque management. I had the B&G stage 2 and it was still there. Maybe if you get the stage 3 or higher where the ESP is deleted from the computer completely but that wasn't an option for me as it was my wifes car.

I think I know the hold the button trick :eyes:

Sorry guys this car just really left a bitter taste in my mouth, and I'm not talking from "what I have read on the internet" I have experienced this first hand.

way better looking than the new maro coming out. as long as it looks like that it will be awesome. i dont like the idea of not having a way of tuning it and not having a feel for the car, if its like the srt8 that one guy was talking about. and with this hemi and a big KB super charger i bet 600 rwhp wont be an issue...just my thoughts

^600 whhp wouldn't be an issue now on motor if a viable tuning option was available now for the 6.1, I mean seriously we have the top end to do it.

KB hasn't jumped in yet because there is no real tuning option out yet. Don't believe me check there site.

The Maro' get my vote big time over this thing, DCX has too many lawyers watching the assembly line for this to be a success.

Any idea of the release dates for these to hit the streets?

Looks like the production version will be shown at the Chicago auto show on February 6, 2008 http://www.dodgechallengercountdown.com/

Right and how does all that interface with the can-bus system. Thats right it doesn't. And then what do you us to control the tranny? I haven't seen any programmable TCM or a stand alone TCM for the tranny yet. And then what if you want to change gears in the rear?? That right there is no way(electronically) to get around this either.

Sorry the electrical hang-ups with the platform are huge and well documented. Look at a dyno sheet for any SRT-8 and check out the AFR reading. Looks like Michael J Fox was trying to draw a straight line.

No thanks.

AND BTW the ESP can never be fully diabled, as well as the torque management. I had the B&G stage 2 and it was still there. Maybe if you get the stage 3 or higher where the ESP is deleted from the computer completely but that wasn't an option for me as it was my wifes car.

I think I know the hold the button trick :eyes:

Sorry guys this car just really left a bitter taste in my mouth, and I'm not talking from "what I have read on the internet" I have experienced this first hand.

the programming does leave something to be desired, but its one of those things that you have to deal with. if you didnt have an f-body before, you probably wouldnt notice. its not THAT bad. jeez. did you ever drive a stock ls1 camaro in automatic? they had torque management too. took a couple years for tuners to finally figure it all out and eliminate it. any automatic will have torque management....its just the time it will take to eliminate it. only gripe i have is the dead feel when you hook off the line at the track. but hey, whatever...cant have everything ;) 16K miles on mine and ive dragged it, road raced it, daily driven- sat in traffic, rain, country roads, etc. its an all around great car and performs flawlessly.

I still have my F-body :) guess where the Charger payment is going?? I have an LT1 so no torque management ever.

The LX platform does have alot of potential in the hardware, it just getting the electronics to let you do it.

Went to a dodge dealer yesterday looking for a car for the wife and a salesman was telling me that the charger didn't pass crash testing and that they had pushed back the progress a bit. BUT, I don't know what to believe cause this guy didn't know much about the Caliber he was trying to sell us, so I don't want to read too much into anything he told me about the Charger. Could very well be old information.

Went to a dodge dealer yesterday looking for a car for the wife and a salesman was telling me that the charger didn't pass crash testing and that they had pushed back the progress a bit. BUT, I don't know what to believe cause this guy didn't know much about the Caliber he was trying to sell us, so I don't want to read too much into anything he told me about the Charger. Could very well be old information.

It would of had to be the Challenger the Charger is already out.

damn, i need to put a damn cam in!!

How good is the car if the PCM is locked and cannot be changed thus preventing tuning ? Any luck in the aftermarket hacking Chrysler's PCM'?

sweet ass car i cant wait to get mine

I need to see it in person before I decide on the Challenger or Camaro.

The Mopar E-bodies were the best of the musclecars from the 70s in my opinion. Hopefully, the new ones will continue to turn heads. Can't wait to see one in the flesh. :devil:

I wonder what kind of effect Daimler selling it's shares in Chrysler will have on their drivetrains. My roommate was telling me that most of their transmissions are a Daimler design (He's a service tech at a Chrysler dealership).

straight outta Brampton! next door to me, come on Oshawa, Step it up! :D

That is going to be a gorgeous(sp) car :drool: I cain't wait to see one on the streets and see how they really preform :devil:

Click Here! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnCwBgnQ1g) :D

I get damn chills whenever I watch that small video. Patrick, you guys over at Thunder Racing are going to have your hands full during the next few years. Now, if only they brought back the Plymouth Barracuda.... :drool:

I havn't decided yet if I want to get the new Challenger or Camaro, but with all the tuning problems it sounds like the Challenger has, what's the point of it? It sounds like it would be good for exhaust and intake and that's it

I have an 06 SRT8 and love it. (I've also owned five LT1/LS1 cars including a C5) The car is awesome. As for slow shifting the SRT8 WOT shift is completed under 300rpm. That is VERY fast. No comparison to the vette or fbody.

The brakes on the car are insane as well.

My only complaint is the lack of posi in the rear end and the drive by wire setup. Even factoring that in it is the best car I've owned.

Anything that weighs 4400 pounds with driver that has the capability of high 12s@110mph bone stock is a beast.

Cheers,
Chris

I keep hearing that the challenger gona be limited production car only 12000 unit which is disappointing

looks good

personally...only havehad chevys, but i would buy that DODGE in a second!!!
Aj

I remember all the complaing when cars become fuel injected, then obd II. Look at what this has allowed us to do now. I say give the tuners a liitle while and they'll find a way.

Looks like some nice competition.

i HEAR this ride go;SSSSSSS for over 4O;OOO...

IS that true???????........

ya think sombody is gonna get fired over those photos lol
:rotflmao: My thoughts exactly!

i cant wait to see these things on the street!

That one photo looks like they left the car out back too long and somebody "tagged" the quater panel

i HEAR this ride go;SSSSSSS for over 4O;OOO...

IS that true???????........

I'm sure an SRT-8 version will.... how cool would it be if it were an SRT-10 version (viper motor) :devil: if they put in a freakin truck why not a muscle car?

I know from personal experince, It is diffenitly as bad as it looks!!! I would spend my money on that car in a heart beat over the chevy and I am a die hard chevy guy. I own a few Gm cars/trucks but would definitly be prowd to drive that MOPAR...

If they do all the terrible programming that they did on the current SRT-8 line up they will kill the car and its following much like what is starting to develop with the SRT-8 crowd at present.

Problems will be:
No way to tune the computer
Drive by wire with terrible lag and disconnect feeling
Way to intrusive ESP with no way to disable completely
Terribly slow shifting transmission
No manual Option
ADAPTIVE LEARNING

Just to name a few.

And yes I have a SRT-8 and the title transfers next week to the new owner. After 6000 miles I can't take it anymore. The platform has such potential but with DCX's abortion can-bus system and no way to fix it, the car is a dissapointment.
Exactly what prevented me from owning an SRT-8.

So I saw 6.1 on the hood.... what else will be offered? Will that be the baddest motor to go in it?

It looks awesome, I plan on getting one soon after college! But honestly, I think it really needs a spoiler. It just looks odd / incomplete without it. I hope the production version has one.

I thought it was going to be a true hardtop? I see a pillar between the side windows.

i see a killer turbo system in its future :secret2:

Very cool

http://jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/06/2009-Dodge-Challenger.jpg

New photo of the production version on the road.

Oh! Shit!!! :)

My only concern is ground clearance issues, its sitting about 3 inches off the ground but it still has an inch and a half of fender gap runing 20s.

Just read today that it will have the viper transmission :) and 2 hemi's to choose from

It will have the new TR-6060 in the GT-500s, and in the new Vipers, Corvettes, and Pontiac G8s. Im sure it would come with at least two Hemis just like every other LX, the 5.7 and the 6.1 in the SRTs. But by then there maybe somthing else? 392 perhaps? One can hope... :pimp:

Oh that car is gonna be pimpin .... can I order one with an LSX engine? :lol:

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Note the single piston calipers. WTF?

I sent an email to dodge telling them that I would chose a camaro over a new challenger if they didnt offer a standard tranny and they replied that they will be offering a 5 speed standard with it !!!!!

screw 5 speed, either go with old school 4 speed or put t-56 in it

screw 5 speed, either go with old school 4 speed or put t-56 in it

I agree I would prefer a 6speed T-56 but a 5 speed is better than an auto for me anyways. I would worry about wheather it could handle the hp reliably though.

I agree I would prefer a 6speed T-56 but a 5 speed is better than an auto for me anyways. I would worry about wheather it could handle the hp reliably though.


if its the same one from viper, it should handle the power. unless you start to put go fast parts :burn: